If you have questions that arise during the presentation, feel free to place them in the chat as we go along!
What I love about this book is how it explains what is in the text of these publications, in a way that is hidden if we look only at the texts themselves. Lots of "aha!" moments as I read it.
Was there a tension between the transnational spread of these illustrations and individual titles (like the ILN) promoting as a selling point their having illustrations provided by they ‘own special artist’?
The Illustrated London News and Punch -- both visual publications -- were usually the ones which required the most multiple copies in British public libraries, showing their popularity
Very interesting that Vizetelly was both selling and buying illustrations! He is thought of as so successful, but it is useful to consider that even he sought income by recirculating images he’d already used.
Poor old Vizetelly was constantly hard up, so this story really fits.
It makes me think that most figures in the periodical press at the time were hobbling along and barely making ends meet, even those who had their hands in very successful publications!
Although later, in my research for Visual Haggard I found instances of re-used illustrations with the artist signatures removed.
Interesting to learn more about the history of this practice
Michael de Nie
And leading articles were also commonly reused in the mainstream print press throughout these years.
I was speaking to a newspaper editor at the weekend and the practice of recycling news stories and altering to give regional context is prevalent today in the digital sphere...
The editor said that in many cases only the first paragraph was altered and the rest of the text reproduced verbatim
Wow, Anissa, while that is perhaps not surprising, it goes against what audiences expect today I think? Then again, on Twitter and Facebook the proliferation, copying, and repurposing of others’ texts are everywhere commonplace.
Penny bloods!!! =D
Yes, the editor I spoke to said he was under pressure from head office to adopt the digital practice which goes against the professional ethos of journalists to produce authentic, independently sourced and verified news
a) where did you teach yourself about the technical and economic aspects of wood-engraving? b) how much do you need to understand the languages to do this type of research?
How would tensions, if any, in the way readers in different regions received the images, affect the production of the images? (I was thinking for example- if an image that appealed to readers in England offended readers in China- how are these competing consumer tastes catered to/managed?)
johan de zoete
I did quite a lot of research on the technical re-use of illustrations and the trade in these images, mostly electrotype copies. Also I found some interesting examples of changes mede in the copies of these images
Interesting, Johan -- what exactly are you working on?
One of the best ways of learning print techniques is to find an artist or studio colleague if you are at a university and ask for demonstrations. These are often better than reading about the techniques for understanding how prints are made in different media.
johan de zoete
I am working on a book on the development of graphic technology in the 19th century, in which I also will discuss the use and exploitation of images
I had planned to take a Printmaking class with a Studio Art colleague - but it went virtual so I'll do intaglio, wood envgraving next semester!
Great! Look forward to learning more about it.
Rare Book School is a great place to learn about illustration techniques.
johan de zoete
Please contact me offline, as I have no camera or microphone
yeah, I’d your contact details, Johan! you can send them privately if you don’t feel comfortable sharing here
sounds interesting Johan -- I'd love to read that book
How do you go about tracing the reuse of images? Where do you even begin?! I am working on working-magazines that John Maxwell and Mary Braddon collaborated on and it seems clear that many of the images are borrowed, but not all. It seems impossible to know!
Removing the name of the artists may indicate that the artist was selling their work to more than one publication?
I’ve found stuff by chance, and then when you find enough, you can figure out patterns and searching for something more specific
(I was answering Jennifer)
johan de zoete
... or the artist was dead, and so the picture was out-dated ...
I wonder if there were cases of papers reselling the same image multiple times by retaining the original blocks and making and selling stereotypes of them. Did Thomas speak to that? I might have missed it.
I suspect that the artists were not profiting from reprinting! Maxwell famously tried to reuse his authors’ and artists’ work without paying the anything and landed in court repeatedly for it.
That's interesting, Jennifer
the transnational character of exchanged images is part of the transnational economy of news...What about the relation of visual networks of exhcnage and textual info and news circulations?? from Laurel
maybe you said earlier but where will this recording be available to re-watch? The are a lot of interesting things that I would to listen to again and write some notes.
Sorry we have no more time for questions, but I suggest that you ask Thomas on Twitter @thomassmits
and use the hashtag #RSVPDigitalSalon
@Jasmine, we'll be posting links to the recordings on the website once the Salon is over. Keep a watch on our social feeds for when those are ready!
Wow Patrick what a background!
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Thank you very much!
Thanks, everyone! This was highly instructive.
Thank you, everyone. This was wonderful!
Yes, Annemarie - How did Patrick get into Carlyle’ House?
That is one of a series of images Ann. M. Hale created for our Digital Salon Social Hour. Join us on Saturday to find out more!
thanks, all! this was wonderful, and I’m looking forward to the other events over the next few days.
Fascinating event, thank you!
Thank you for sharing your work and processes. It's been illuminating!
Excellent discussion- thanks!
Thank you Andrew, Thomas, and Brian and to the wider RSVP community for a fantastic conversation!
Arnold Anthony Schmidt
Could we all turn our cameras on to say goodbye?
Thank you --fabulous talk!
johan de zoete
All publishers published specimens of the illustrations you could order. They kept the originals and made electrotype copies as requested by their customers
Thank you Thomas, Brian and Andrew for a great discussion!
Sophie van Os
Thank you for the wonderful discussion!
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Echoing the thanks - fascinating discussion and such a great book Thomas.
Laura Díaz Esteve
Thank you very much for the conversation!
Thank you everyone
Thanks everyone !
Viviane Gomes da Rocha
Many thanks all!