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RSVP Digital Salon: Colby Book Prize Interview - Speaker view
Jennifer Phegley
32:17
If you have questions that arise during the presentation, feel free to place them in the chat as we go along!
Maria Damkjær
34:22
*clapping clapping*
Annemarie’s iPad
34:25
👏🏼
Andrew Hobbs
39:10
What I love about this book is how it explains what is in the text of these publications, in a way that is hidden if we look only at the texts themselves. Lots of "aha!" moments as I read it.
Catherine Waters
42:20
Was there a tension between the transnational spread of these illustrations and individual titles (like the ILN) promoting as a selling point their having illustrations provided by they ‘own special artist’?
Andrew Hobbs
45:10
The Illustrated London News and Punch -- both visual publications -- were usually the ones which required the most multiple copies in British public libraries, showing their popularity
Jennifer Phegley
48:02
Very interesting that Vizetelly was both selling and buying illustrations! He is thought of as so successful, but it is useful to consider that even he sought income by recirculating images he’d already used.
Patrick Leary
49:46
Poor old Vizetelly was constantly hard up, so this story really fits.
Jennifer Phegley
51:56
It makes me think that most figures in the periodical press at the time were hobbling along and barely making ends meet, even those who had their hands in very successful publications!
kateholterhoff1
52:22
Although later, in my research for Visual Haggard I found instances of re-used illustrations with the artist signatures removed.
kateholterhoff1
52:58
Interesting to learn more about the history of this practice
Michael de Nie
53:47
And leading articles were also commonly reused in the mainstream print press throughout these years.
annisa
54:15
I was speaking to a newspaper editor at the weekend and the practice of recycling news stories and altering to give regional context is prevalent today in the digital sphere...
annisa
55:52
The editor said that in many cases only the first paragraph was altered and the rest of the text reproduced verbatim
kateholterhoff1
56:25
That’s fascinating.
Jennifer Phegley
57:51
Wow, Anissa, while that is perhaps not surprising, it goes against what audiences expect today I think? Then again, on Twitter and Facebook the proliferation, copying, and repurposing of others’ texts are everywhere commonplace.
Marie Léger-St-Jean
58:11
Penny bloods!!! =D
Jennifer Phegley
58:24
Yes!
annisa
59:10
Yes, the editor I spoke to said he was under pressure from head office to adopt the digital practice which goes against the professional ethos of journalists to produce authentic, independently sourced and verified news
Annemarie’s iPad
01:00:45
👏🏼👏🏼
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:01:11
2 questions:
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:01:18
Oups!
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:02:19
a) where did you teach yourself about the technical and economic aspects of wood-engraving? b) how much do you need to understand the languages to do this type of research?
Teja Pusapati
01:03:34
How would tensions, if any, in the way readers in different regions received the images, affect the production of the images? (I was thinking for example- if an image that appealed to readers in England offended readers in China- how are these competing consumer tastes catered to/managed?)
johan de zoete
01:05:20
I did quite a lot of research on the technical re-use of illustrations and the trade in these images, mostly electrotype copies. Also I found some interesting examples of changes mede in the copies of these images
Patrick Leary
01:06:32
Interesting, Johan -- what exactly are you working on?
Julie Codell
01:07:37
One of the best ways of learning print techniques is to find an artist or studio colleague if you are at a university and ask for demonstrations. These are often better than reading about the techniques for understanding how prints are made in different media.
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:08:10
Thanks Julie!
johan de zoete
01:08:21
I am working on a book on the development of graphic technology in the 19th century, in which I also will discuss the use and exploitation of images
Priti Joshi
01:08:31
I had planned to take a Printmaking class with a Studio Art colleague - but it went virtual so I'll do intaglio, wood envgraving next semester!
Patrick Leary
01:08:51
Great! Look forward to learning more about it.
Patrick Leary
01:09:32
Rare Book School is a great place to learn about illustration techniques.
johan de zoete
01:09:42
Please contact me offline, as I have no camera or microphone
Priti Joshi
01:10:34
q
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:10:37
yeah, I’d your contact details, Johan! you can send them privately if you don’t feel comfortable sharing here
tielke
01:12:20
sounds interesting Johan -- I'd love to read that book
Jennifer Phegley
01:13:31
How do you go about tracing the reuse of images? Where do you even begin?! I am working on working-magazines that John Maxwell and Mary Braddon collaborated on and it seems clear that many of the images are borrowed, but not all. It seems impossible to know!
Jennifer Phegley
01:13:57
wori
Jennifer Phegley
01:14:07
Working-class
annisa
01:14:07
Removing the name of the artists may indicate that the artist was selling their work to more than one publication?
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:14:43
I’ve found stuff by chance, and then when you find enough, you can figure out patterns and searching for something more specific
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:15:00
(I was answering Jennifer)
johan de zoete
01:15:08
... or the artist was dead, and so the picture was out-dated ...
annisa
01:15:22
true, Johan
Patrick Leary
01:15:48
I wonder if there were cases of papers reselling the same image multiple times by retaining the original blocks and making and selling stereotypes of them. Did Thomas speak to that? I might have missed it.
Jennifer Phegley
01:15:54
I suspect that the artists were not profiting from reprinting! Maxwell famously tried to reuse his authors’ and artists’ work without paying the anything and landed in court repeatedly for it.
annisa
01:16:19
That's interesting, Jennifer
Laurel Brake
01:16:56
the transnational character of exchanged images is part of the transnational economy of news...What about the relation of visual networks of exhcnage and textual info and news circulations?? from Laurel
Jasmine
01:18:49
maybe you said earlier but where will this recording be available to re-watch? The are a lot of interesting things that I would to listen to again and write some notes.
Andrew Hobbs
01:18:49
Sorry we have no more time for questions, but I suggest that you ask Thomas on Twitter @thomassmits
Andrew Hobbs
01:19:35
and use the hashtag #RSVPDigitalSalon
Kaari N.
01:19:36
@Jasmine, we'll be posting links to the recordings on the website once the Salon is over. Keep a watch on our social feeds for when those are ready!
Annemarie’s iPad
01:19:51
Wow Patrick what a background!
Jennifer Phegley
01:19:59
The recording of the sessions in the Digital Salon will be made available later—keep an eye on our website and join the Facebook group to receive more details as we have them!
Jasmine
01:20:01
Thank you very much!
Lydia Craig
01:20:03
Thanks, everyone! This was highly instructive.
Dillion, Jacqueline
01:20:11
Thank you, everyone. This was wonderful!
Catherine Waters
01:20:48
Yes, Annemarie - How did Patrick get into Carlyle’ House?
Jennifer Phegley
01:21:37
That is one of a series of images Ann. M. Hale created for our Digital Salon Social Hour. Join us on Saturday to find out more!
April Patrick
01:21:51
thanks, all! this was wonderful, and I’m looking forward to the other events over the next few days.
annisa
01:22:07
Fascinating event, thank you!
Janine Hatter
01:22:08
Thank you for sharing your work and processes. It's been illuminating!
Marguérite Corporaal
01:22:08
Excellent discussion- thanks!
Helena Goodwyn
01:22:09
Thank you Andrew, Thomas, and Brian and to the wider RSVP community for a fantastic conversation!
Arnold Anthony Schmidt
01:22:17
great info!
Marie Léger-St-Jean
01:22:19
Could we all turn our cameras on to say goodbye?
Pamela Gilbert
01:22:34
Thank you --fabulous talk!
johan de zoete
01:22:37
All publishers published specimens of the illustrations you could order. They kept the originals and made electrotype copies as requested by their customers
Catherine Waters
01:22:38
Thank you Thomas, Brian and Andrew for a great discussion!
Sophie van Os
01:22:39
Thank you for the wonderful discussion!
Andrew Hobbs
01:22:52
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Kaari N.
01:23:03
You can also check times on the Conference page of the website: http://rs4vp.org/rsvp-conference/
FDillane
01:23:04
Echoing the thanks - fascinating discussion and such a great book Thomas.
Natalie Houston
01:23:13
thanks everyone!
nadiajarensdorf
01:23:16
Thank you.
Laura Díaz Esteve
01:23:20
Thank you very much for the conversation!
Teja Pusapati
01:23:27
Thank you everyone
Rosvita Rauch
01:23:28
Thank you!
Katrina Jan
01:23:30
Thanks everyone !
Viviane Gomes da Rocha
01:23:39
thanks
Giulia Bruna
01:24:00
Thank you!
Deb Canavan
01:24:01
Many thanks all!